Was Anstey Sacked or Pushed?

Chris Anstey is gone from Melbourne United but the question is was he sacked or was he pushed? Melbourne United have said on their website that he stepped down while SEN and other media organizations said he was sacked and SEN is a very reliable source when it comes to sports news and they wouldn’t want to get their information wrong.

Regardless it appears that he either lost the support of the playing group or lost the ability to communicate with them, this has happened at AFL club Western Bulldogs when the coach lost the support of the playing group including it’s captain who wants a trade from the club and he therefore had to leave the club.

‘We Are Not United’ has no beef with Chris Anstey or the players (although on the players side we wish Tomlinson and Page didn’t use #6 and #21), Chris Anstey played great basketball for the Tigers, he helped the team win two of it’s four titles and he lead them to finals last year, fans found shortcomings in his coaching ability but overall he was eventually successful getting them to finals and that should not be forgotten.

We leave great Australian basketballer Andrew Bogut with the final word.

Newspapers talk up attendance

Basketball fans this morning woke up to find reports on Melbourne United being hammered by the Cairns Taipans and then find an article praising the off court support for Melbourne United

United CEO Vince Crivelli was quoted in the newspaper as saying the following
“It’s a good start. This time last year, to be honest, we were playing out of a 3000-seat venue and we were struggling to fill it.”

Melbourne Tigers fans particularly those who attended those games at the beginning of the 2013/14 season report that ‘The Cage’ had a healthy if not packed attendance and when matches went to the Hisense Arena the crowds got bigger and pushing into the 6000 range, the attendance of 5704 at yesterday’s game is also questioned for sections of empty seats were spotted at the game and on TV and sections were covered up, the sections that were covered up are only uncovered when ticket sales pass 6,001 so there was not a huge demand for tickets.

The newspaper described the courtside action at the game which is contestable by those in attendence as we have below the quote below.
“The new mascot was a walking basketball and a bloke in a sparkly silver coat to rival Joffa’s get-up warmed up the crowd. And, as always, there were the Dodo girls.

In a move to enhance the match-day experience, VIP seats ringed the court, following the lead of the NBA, but, alas, there were no movie stars courtside. The crowd vibe was good; Melbourne chants punctuated the play, the hand clappers were out and Mark Worthington got the United fans up and about early when he put the first score on the board for the game.”

VIP seats were reported to be mostly empty and in one photograph of the playing action the VIP’s could be seen looking everywhere else but the action, the crowd vibe was reported by many to be rather flat, the Mascot is named Mr Baller and the Melbourne chants were ‘B-A-L-L-E-R-S Ballers!’ which confused people because since when do a team chant the name of a mascot leaving some to wonder if the team name is really the CTI Melbourne United Ballers and not CTI Melbourne United in that case people would rather work in a sewage plant than support a professional team called Ballers which can easily be called Bawlers by those who love a wisecrack.

The newspaper writer forgot to mention that outside the court is the six retired jerseys of the Melbourne Tigers (including the demanded to remove Lanard Copeland’s #21 jersey) and the four championship banners earned by the Melbourne Tigers, the writer also forgot to mention that none of United’s promises to honour the other Victorian teams that graced the NBL were honoured with their own jerseys and other materials.

The newspaper article writer had this to say about the change from the Melbourne Tigers to Melbourne United.
“But, just five months after announcing the controversial decision to change the team’s name from Melbourne Tigers, Crivelli said the team had a good platform to build from.”

The team had a good platform to build on because the front office and coaching staff were largely Tigers from the 2013/2014 season, the playing roster is largely the same as the 2013/14 season with even this years additions being ex Tigers, the courts were largely used by the Tigers, Facebook likes were helped by the page being the Melbourne Tigers page before May 20 and even Melbourne United Fan Weekly were operating as Melbourne Tigers Fan Weekly, it should also be noted that promotional efforts for United were bigger than any promotional effort made by Kestleman, Sleepoy and Crivelli when they ran the Tigers.

At long last Melbourne Tigers fans opposed to Melbourne United finally got a say in the press, these fans efforts were nothing short of fantastic as they conducted themselves in the finest possible manner and were well received by those who stopped by them although some have reported that security guards were on hand to intimidate Tigers supporters, below is what the newspaper had to say.

“But some had already made up their mind before the game had started. A small group of long-time Melbourne Tigers’ fans staged their own mini-protest out the front of Hisense Arena before the game, handing out `Save Our Melbourne Tigers’ flyers.

Decked out in their Tigers’ gear, they held banners reading `Tigers forever, United never’, `Tiger Pride, United Shame’ and `United in Treachery’.

Dedicated Tigers’ supporter Graham Allen, 65, said he’d been supporting the Tigers for more than 25 years, but wouldn’t be following United. “Our main beef is they didn’t consult anybody,” Allen said. “They’ve got rid of everything that even looks like the Tigers and they’ve come up with this strange idea that a whole bunch of people that don’t support anything will come and support this, I don’t follow that one. “I’ve heard all the justifications … we’ve watched other teams start in Melbourne, all fail, the only one that survived is the Tigers.”

Vince Crivelli had the last words in the newspaper article with the following;

“I think we learn a lot from today both on the court and off the court on how to present our game and our brand,” Crivelli said.

“Once you invite people to join you on a campaign, I think it becomes very powerful. The word unite is there to actually call to action.”

Inviting people to join a campaign is one thing, getting them to join is another and by all appearances after the first day the campaign will be harder than what Vince Crivelli and those at United HQ (Tigers HQ) have envisioned especially if losses such as the one on Sunday switch and the wrong spreading of information switches the public off.

United insult the Sydney Kings in Arena

There is no doubt that Melbourne and Sydney compete in a lot of things in recent years from which should be higher up the world’s greatest city chart, which city should be our nation’s capital instead of Canberra to which Basketball team performs better, Tigers fans remember those mid 2000’s when the Sydney Kings came up against Melbourne in the finals and the honours were pretty much equally shared as they taken titles from each other, victories were made sweeter because the Kings were coached by Brian Goorjian and defeats were bitter for the same reason even if he did play for the Tigers at the beginning part of the team’s NBL journey.

Melbourne United have decided to take on the Sydney Kings with a message at Hisense Arena telling United’s players to ‘Go Hard Or Go To Sydney’, there is no doubt that Sydney when they discover this apparent message of inspiration will be either not amused or amused enough to come up with something of their own, perhaps Sydney will just let their Basketball do all the talking when the two sides meet in the near future for they are considered just as formidable as United are.

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United keeps Tigers titles, jerseys hanging

Melbourne Tigers fans were unhappy to discover that the club’s four championship banners were still hanging far above the court at Hisense Arena, Melbourne United have said multiple times that they are a club born out of the Melbourne Tigers and by this logic those banners should not be up there even if the Tigers name and history is owned by Melbourne United.

Melbourne Tigers fans have also pointed out that the retired jerseys of the Melbourne Tigers including Lanard Copeland’s #21 are also still up (Picture taken by K.E) despite United assuring people that permission would be asked to keep those jerseys up which in the case of Lanard Copeland would of been a big no based on his comments since the announcement of United back in May.

Fans also noted that the promised honouring of past Victorian NBL teams were not done with no signs of Magic, Titans, Giants, Bears, Supercats, Saints, Spectres jerseys or title banners anywhere at Hisense Arena, this knowledge will no doubt lead to questions from fans of those teams who were swayed to joined United based on their promise to do such things.

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United badly bitten by the Cairns Taipans

After all the hype and all the still continuing fighting between Pro Tigers and Pro United fans it was finally time for Melbourne United to show NBL fans what they had for the competition, their opponents for the match were the Cairns Taipans and the Taipans bit United hard early and by the end of the afternoon killed them with a convincing 89 to 61 win, United simply had no answers against the Taipans making United seem to be unable to walk their walk and talk their talk.

Hisense Arena was not sold out with a reported crowd of 5,704 people watching the game (including free ticket users), spectators and TV viewers reported that sections of the Arena were empty with TV making it glaring obvious play by play, reports on crowd atmosphere vary with some saying the game had a good atmosphere while others report that the crowd were lacking energy and were never into the game, the next couple of games will be interesting to see if crowd levels raise, hold or fall with Victorians thirst for competitive teams set to dictate terms for if United wins crowds will rise and losses will send crowds spiraling putting United’s owner’s aspirations into a deep hole.

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Giveaways to ensure packed opening?

Melbourne United have given the audience of OneHD show ‘The Thursday Night Sports Show’ double passes to this Sunday’s game, there is no doubt now that Melbourne United are working double time to ensure that their first game of the season is described as a sell out although it is certain that hundreds of those in attendance are able to attend by the passes given on the show or by the tickets given to various Basketball Associations by Melbourne United.

There are suggestions that Basketball Associations who were promised tickets have been changed to kids passes, this will no doubt bring confusion and frustration to many who might of hoped to been able to go see a game, there is no doubt that Melbourne United has shot itself in the foot with this bungle which adds to a growing list of problems from members not getting proper information, Facebook team making blunders, Tigers fans getting calls when they’ve asked United not to call or have gotten a phone call on a number never listed and more.

Is United controlling what is said?

Melbourne Tigers fans reading the newspaper today would of been amused at the sight of seeing the Melbourne Tiger beside the Cairns Taipans logo for the game coming up on Sunday instead of Melbourne United’s logo.

Amusement would of turned to amazement when looking below the picture and seeing Mark Worthington’s comments would of noticed that his comments on the Tigers situation were word for word to comments made by Chris Anstey earlier this week when he was live on SEN with him answering a text message submitted to the station by a Melbourne Tigers fan, those who want to see Mark Worthington’s words can see them below while Chris Anstey’s appearance on SEN can be heard here.

The word for word usage by Worthington and Anstey has lead to questions of whether or not that Melbourne United has a tight leash on what players, coaching staff and other members of the organization are allowed to say to the media and other outlets.

We Are Not United thank all the fans who provided us with the information and pictures for this article.

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Newspapers hardly warming to United

Despite the optimism expressed by Melbourne United, it seems that newspapers are taking their time marching to the beat of Melbourne United’s drum, The Age and The Herald Sun has given Melbourne United only a small slice of space available in the sports section of the paper with the only news in the last two days being on import Stephen Dennis’s attempt to recover from injury and the hopes for a massive crowd at their opening game following the team’s corporate success in the off season.

United are doing a better job on the radio front with interviews on SEN and 3AW, both radio stations have generously read texts from Tigers supporters opposing United in the same segment allowing a fair conversation to take place although the answers from Chris Anstey appearing scripted lacking the personal touch with the majority of time spent discussing past Victorian NBL teams needing to be honoured as well as the Tigers.

Perhaps in the coming days the papers will take more interest but with around a million Victorians reading the papers daily compared to the number listening to the radio, United are late getting to the party when it comes to getting attention from the state.

United’s Tangled Web

Many would think that Melbourne United was made official on May 20 2014 but the sad reality is that Melbourne United sneaked into the Tigers den way before then, on January 30 2014 Melbourne United Basketball Club was registered as a business name while the entity name officially changed from Melbourne Tigers Pty Ltd (existed from the 27th of June 2012) to Melbourne United Basketball Club Pty Ltd on the 13th of June 2014 which interestingly was weeks after the announcement of the change.

Melbourneunited.com.au was registered on the 20th of March 2014, the Registrar was TPP Wholesale Pty Ltd and the registrant was BIZ-AUS Pty Ltd, the registrant contact name is Bill Geldis who appears to be the Network Support Representive at Dodo Australia, formerly owned by the owners of Melbourne United,

For those wanting to see all the details themselves can click on here to be taken to the ABN lookup site and for all the details on Melbourneunited.com.au click here.

Rivalries work best

There is no doubt that two teams in a City or Town can provide emotions that are higher many times over than playing a team far away, rivalries like the West Sydney Razorbacks vs Sydney Kings, SE Melbourne Magic vs North Melbourne Giants, North Melbourne Giants vs Melbourne Tigers, South Dragons vs Melbourne Tigers, Victoria Titans vs Melbourne Tigers and perhaps the biggest of them all Melbourne Tigers vs SE Melbourne Magic, the two teams filled the Rod Laver Arena to capacity and the games didn’t disappoint, there were major comebacks from both sides, tense finals, revenge finals, K-Mart vs Big M, Magic Man vs Tigerman and players like Gaze, Bradkte and Copeland against Ronaldson, McKinnon and Anstey

Why Larry Kestelman, Michael Slepoy and Vince Crivelli decide to rip apart the Melbourne Tigers to create a new identity is one of the sport’s biggest mysteries, if they wanted an alternative to the Tigers to draw in the non Tigers fans then buying a new license and making a team from the ground up would of been the logical answer but it is suspected they wanted the lazy approach which was buy a team, keep the list, rename it and then promote it like crazy hoping that the fans of the teams that died due to mismanagement or disagreement with the NBL would flock back to the NBL games and set up a new golden era but fans of the gone from the NBL teams aren’t stupid because they know the shell of Melbourne United has the DNA of the Melbourne Tigers all over it.

A new golden era would be missing one thing and that is rivalry, with Melbourne United being ‘new’ there is no long standing rival for them to face, if Melbourne United didn’t take over the Tigers and went their own way they would of had the 30 year old Tigers as a rival team to fight for Melbourne and the state of Victoria, a new team will soon come to Melbourne but unless it is the Tigers, Giants or Magic it won’t be big for a couple of years if it survives because there is no emotion in two new sides playing and both are just babies in terms of the age of the league.

Maybe Melbourne United will try make a rivalry with the Adelaide 36er’s and go for the Victoria vs South Australia angle of things but will people buy it? Probably not because the Tigers had a fierce rivalry with the 36er’s thanks in part to some signature stomping on Adelaide’s turf and nothing United could do will replace it.

The NBL and Melbourne United should watch the video in this article, it will show you that two big successful Melbourne teams will bring the desired result of a golden era instead of the stealing a team, ripping it apart, painting over the colours and name and hope for the best approach and when the NBL decide to make a new Melbourne team there is no doubt that Tigers fans, Magic fans, Giants fans and the generally curious will be putting their hands up to help form the team that will take United on, then United’s sales pitch will be moot and the games will begin.