Dragons fans starting to roar again

South Dragons fans were perhaps one of the most let down fans in the history of the NBL, they came into the league as a new Melbourne team to rival the Melbourne Tigers and they had a rough start before bouncing back before going down before tasting the ultimate success in winning the 2008/2009 title, soon after their world came crashing down when the owners of the team had no faith in the NBL which was at the time running on heavy duty life support and withdrawn from the league robbing the Dragons of a potential dynasty under wonder coach Brian Goorjian and robbing the Tigers of a state rival as threatening as the South East Melbourne Magic and North Melbourne Giants and there is the small matter of the withdrawal robbing the Tigers of revenge after the Dragons easily won the title.

Now it’s 2014 and the Dragons fans have not forgotten their time in the NBL at all and they are hungry to return and carry on with business again just like the fans of the South East Melbourne Magic are at the moment, Dragons fans are aware of Melbourne United and their aims and it angers them, the old rivalry with the Tigers comes to mind and secondly they don’t want United prancing around saying they represent South Dragons fans, so if you would like to help the South Dragons fans get their team back in the game and hopefully the Tigers too then visit Save Our South Dragons and give them a like.

Remember fans speaking up lets the league know that Melbourne is a more than a one team town and it could be three or four team town but if you don’t like groups and don’t comment then they will never know and United will continue to live on alone being many people’s unwanted representative.

Media belts United over Anstey’s departure

Chris Anstey’s departure as Melbourne United coach just one game into the season has brought Melbourne’s media to United’s doorstep and some of the statements reached mocking levels, SEN today asked listeners ‘Should Melbourne United’s longest serving coach been able to double his record.’, 65% said that Anstey should of been given the chance instead of his United stint ending at just one game.

Meanwhile on Facebook 94.44% of those at  Save The Melbourne Tigers (not Melbourne United) answered ‘No’ to the question on ‘Do you believe that Chris Anstey really did step down on his own accord?’ while there has been a sharp spike in pro Tigers messages at CTI Melbourne United’s Facebook page as many feel Chris Anstey was pushed out of the job despite Melbourne United denying this was the case.

The Herald Sun slammed Melbourne United with the headline ‘United No More’ with a picture featuring Darryl McDonald, David Barlow, Chris Anstey and team owner Michael Slepoy looking downcast on the sidelines during Sunday’s game while a cartoon showing Anstey in a net saying ‘Time Out’ was also shown in the article while The Age also weighed into this chaotic situation even as United said they’ll undertake a nationwide search for a new coach .

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Tigers fans rally at Hisense Arena

As mentioned in the Herald Sun, Tigers fans held a rally outside Hisense Arena and put on a friendly and informative display.

The afternoon did not start well for Tigers fans with a security officer radioing for backup immediately after Tigers fans started showing up leading to four security officers surrounding three members who were awaiting the arrival of others, after a debate over rights to be in the park, the park manager arrived and told the group they had to move on but the group were told the main footpath was acceptable and so the group moved to the footpath which gave the gatherers the opportunity to meet Basketball fans and the general public allowing Tigers fans message to get through to the people, fliers were distributed to the people and they were well received with many no doubt been given food for thought based on the information provided.

As you can see the fans looked brilliant with their signs and their jerseys and there are plans to consider doing it again and with the Bathurst 1000 and the marathon out of the way more Tigers fans may be available to rally with those who have done it before and really ensure that United and the NBL know that Melbourne Tigers are still on the minds of fans and perhaps Kestleman, Slepoy and Crivelli will let the Tigers name and history go and let it live on again like the Sydney Kings or in the case of the NRL South Sydney Rabbitohs although in their case their rights weren’t held onto by somebody else but they were resurrected and in the minds of fans that’s all that matters.

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Newspapers talk up attendance

Basketball fans this morning woke up to find reports on Melbourne United being hammered by the Cairns Taipans and then find an article praising the off court support for Melbourne United

United CEO Vince Crivelli was quoted in the newspaper as saying the following
“It’s a good start. This time last year, to be honest, we were playing out of a 3000-seat venue and we were struggling to fill it.”

Melbourne Tigers fans particularly those who attended those games at the beginning of the 2013/14 season report that ‘The Cage’ had a healthy if not packed attendance and when matches went to the Hisense Arena the crowds got bigger and pushing into the 6000 range, the attendance of 5704 at yesterday’s game is also questioned for sections of empty seats were spotted at the game and on TV and sections were covered up, the sections that were covered up are only uncovered when ticket sales pass 6,001 so there was not a huge demand for tickets.

The newspaper described the courtside action at the game which is contestable by those in attendence as we have below the quote below.
“The new mascot was a walking basketball and a bloke in a sparkly silver coat to rival Joffa’s get-up warmed up the crowd. And, as always, there were the Dodo girls.

In a move to enhance the match-day experience, VIP seats ringed the court, following the lead of the NBA, but, alas, there were no movie stars courtside. The crowd vibe was good; Melbourne chants punctuated the play, the hand clappers were out and Mark Worthington got the United fans up and about early when he put the first score on the board for the game.”

VIP seats were reported to be mostly empty and in one photograph of the playing action the VIP’s could be seen looking everywhere else but the action, the crowd vibe was reported by many to be rather flat, the Mascot is named Mr Baller and the Melbourne chants were ‘B-A-L-L-E-R-S Ballers!’ which confused people because since when do a team chant the name of a mascot leaving some to wonder if the team name is really the CTI Melbourne United Ballers and not CTI Melbourne United in that case people would rather work in a sewage plant than support a professional team called Ballers which can easily be called Bawlers by those who love a wisecrack.

The newspaper writer forgot to mention that outside the court is the six retired jerseys of the Melbourne Tigers (including the demanded to remove Lanard Copeland’s #21 jersey) and the four championship banners earned by the Melbourne Tigers, the writer also forgot to mention that none of United’s promises to honour the other Victorian teams that graced the NBL were honoured with their own jerseys and other materials.

The newspaper article writer had this to say about the change from the Melbourne Tigers to Melbourne United.
“But, just five months after announcing the controversial decision to change the team’s name from Melbourne Tigers, Crivelli said the team had a good platform to build from.”

The team had a good platform to build on because the front office and coaching staff were largely Tigers from the 2013/2014 season, the playing roster is largely the same as the 2013/14 season with even this years additions being ex Tigers, the courts were largely used by the Tigers, Facebook likes were helped by the page being the Melbourne Tigers page before May 20 and even Melbourne United Fan Weekly were operating as Melbourne Tigers Fan Weekly, it should also be noted that promotional efforts for United were bigger than any promotional effort made by Kestleman, Sleepoy and Crivelli when they ran the Tigers.

At long last Melbourne Tigers fans opposed to Melbourne United finally got a say in the press, these fans efforts were nothing short of fantastic as they conducted themselves in the finest possible manner and were well received by those who stopped by them although some have reported that security guards were on hand to intimidate Tigers supporters, below is what the newspaper had to say.

“But some had already made up their mind before the game had started. A small group of long-time Melbourne Tigers’ fans staged their own mini-protest out the front of Hisense Arena before the game, handing out `Save Our Melbourne Tigers’ flyers.

Decked out in their Tigers’ gear, they held banners reading `Tigers forever, United never’, `Tiger Pride, United Shame’ and `United in Treachery’.

Dedicated Tigers’ supporter Graham Allen, 65, said he’d been supporting the Tigers for more than 25 years, but wouldn’t be following United. “Our main beef is they didn’t consult anybody,” Allen said. “They’ve got rid of everything that even looks like the Tigers and they’ve come up with this strange idea that a whole bunch of people that don’t support anything will come and support this, I don’t follow that one. “I’ve heard all the justifications … we’ve watched other teams start in Melbourne, all fail, the only one that survived is the Tigers.”

Vince Crivelli had the last words in the newspaper article with the following;

“I think we learn a lot from today both on the court and off the court on how to present our game and our brand,” Crivelli said.

“Once you invite people to join you on a campaign, I think it becomes very powerful. The word unite is there to actually call to action.”

Inviting people to join a campaign is one thing, getting them to join is another and by all appearances after the first day the campaign will be harder than what Vince Crivelli and those at United HQ (Tigers HQ) have envisioned especially if losses such as the one on Sunday switch and the wrong spreading of information switches the public off.

United keeps Tigers titles, jerseys hanging

Melbourne Tigers fans were unhappy to discover that the club’s four championship banners were still hanging far above the court at Hisense Arena, Melbourne United have said multiple times that they are a club born out of the Melbourne Tigers and by this logic those banners should not be up there even if the Tigers name and history is owned by Melbourne United.

Melbourne Tigers fans have also pointed out that the retired jerseys of the Melbourne Tigers including Lanard Copeland’s #21 are also still up (Picture taken by K.E) despite United assuring people that permission would be asked to keep those jerseys up which in the case of Lanard Copeland would of been a big no based on his comments since the announcement of United back in May.

Fans also noted that the promised honouring of past Victorian NBL teams were not done with no signs of Magic, Titans, Giants, Bears, Supercats, Saints, Spectres jerseys or title banners anywhere at Hisense Arena, this knowledge will no doubt lead to questions from fans of those teams who were swayed to joined United based on their promise to do such things.

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Is United controlling what is said?

Melbourne Tigers fans reading the newspaper today would of been amused at the sight of seeing the Melbourne Tiger beside the Cairns Taipans logo for the game coming up on Sunday instead of Melbourne United’s logo.

Amusement would of turned to amazement when looking below the picture and seeing Mark Worthington’s comments would of noticed that his comments on the Tigers situation were word for word to comments made by Chris Anstey earlier this week when he was live on SEN with him answering a text message submitted to the station by a Melbourne Tigers fan, those who want to see Mark Worthington’s words can see them below while Chris Anstey’s appearance on SEN can be heard here.

The word for word usage by Worthington and Anstey has lead to questions of whether or not that Melbourne United has a tight leash on what players, coaching staff and other members of the organization are allowed to say to the media and other outlets.

We Are Not United thank all the fans who provided us with the information and pictures for this article.

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BigV Tigers need NBL Tigers fans support

Melbourne Tigers fans may be facing it’s first season out of the NBL since it’s existence in 1984 (with United claiming they are a new entity) there is some comfort to know that the Melbourne Tigers that play in the BigV are still going strong and needs fans to attend their matches in their next season, it is important for Melbourne Tigers fans to remember that without the BigV side’s 1931 birth there wouldn’t be the Melbourne Tigers that played (and will play again) in the NBL, for further incentive it should be noted that United are supporting the Mckinnon Basketball Association which has teams in the BigV and therefore are a Tigers rival should any of the Tigers team meet them.

Fans of the Nunawading Spectres, Coburg Giants (aka North Melbourne Giants), Frankston Blues (formerly Frankston Bears in the NBL) and the Geelong Supercats are also playing in the BigV therefore fans of those sides should also flock to their matches and support the teams instead of joining United’s aim to ‘unite’ all the fans under their umbrella.

 

United’s Tangled Web

Many would think that Melbourne United was made official on May 20 2014 but the sad reality is that Melbourne United sneaked into the Tigers den way before then, on January 30 2014 Melbourne United Basketball Club was registered as a business name while the entity name officially changed from Melbourne Tigers Pty Ltd (existed from the 27th of June 2012) to Melbourne United Basketball Club Pty Ltd on the 13th of June 2014 which interestingly was weeks after the announcement of the change.

Melbourneunited.com.au was registered on the 20th of March 2014, the Registrar was TPP Wholesale Pty Ltd and the registrant was BIZ-AUS Pty Ltd, the registrant contact name is Bill Geldis who appears to be the Network Support Representive at Dodo Australia, formerly owned by the owners of Melbourne United,

For those wanting to see all the details themselves can click on here to be taken to the ABN lookup site and for all the details on Melbourneunited.com.au click here.

Rivalries work best

There is no doubt that two teams in a City or Town can provide emotions that are higher many times over than playing a team far away, rivalries like the West Sydney Razorbacks vs Sydney Kings, SE Melbourne Magic vs North Melbourne Giants, North Melbourne Giants vs Melbourne Tigers, South Dragons vs Melbourne Tigers, Victoria Titans vs Melbourne Tigers and perhaps the biggest of them all Melbourne Tigers vs SE Melbourne Magic, the two teams filled the Rod Laver Arena to capacity and the games didn’t disappoint, there were major comebacks from both sides, tense finals, revenge finals, K-Mart vs Big M, Magic Man vs Tigerman and players like Gaze, Bradkte and Copeland against Ronaldson, McKinnon and Anstey

Why Larry Kestelman, Michael Slepoy and Vince Crivelli decide to rip apart the Melbourne Tigers to create a new identity is one of the sport’s biggest mysteries, if they wanted an alternative to the Tigers to draw in the non Tigers fans then buying a new license and making a team from the ground up would of been the logical answer but it is suspected they wanted the lazy approach which was buy a team, keep the list, rename it and then promote it like crazy hoping that the fans of the teams that died due to mismanagement or disagreement with the NBL would flock back to the NBL games and set up a new golden era but fans of the gone from the NBL teams aren’t stupid because they know the shell of Melbourne United has the DNA of the Melbourne Tigers all over it.

A new golden era would be missing one thing and that is rivalry, with Melbourne United being ‘new’ there is no long standing rival for them to face, if Melbourne United didn’t take over the Tigers and went their own way they would of had the 30 year old Tigers as a rival team to fight for Melbourne and the state of Victoria, a new team will soon come to Melbourne but unless it is the Tigers, Giants or Magic it won’t be big for a couple of years if it survives because there is no emotion in two new sides playing and both are just babies in terms of the age of the league.

Maybe Melbourne United will try make a rivalry with the Adelaide 36er’s and go for the Victoria vs South Australia angle of things but will people buy it? Probably not because the Tigers had a fierce rivalry with the 36er’s thanks in part to some signature stomping on Adelaide’s turf and nothing United could do will replace it.

The NBL and Melbourne United should watch the video in this article, it will show you that two big successful Melbourne teams will bring the desired result of a golden era instead of the stealing a team, ripping it apart, painting over the colours and name and hope for the best approach and when the NBL decide to make a new Melbourne team there is no doubt that Tigers fans, Magic fans, Giants fans and the generally curious will be putting their hands up to help form the team that will take United on, then United’s sales pitch will be moot and the games will begin.

A revisit to Nate Tomlinson’s words

We Are Not United looks back to those days when the announcement was that Melbourne United was coming and the Tigers were going, Nate Tomlinson had a lot to say on Twitter about what happened and Tigers fans were really upset by his words, his first act was to say that people who didn’t go to ‘Tiger’s’ games consistently couldn’t talk about how upset they were and it went on to say things that they were still Tigers players and much more, thankfully for us Nate didn’t delete his words like most sportsmen and sportswomen do when they say something controversial and so all 8 tweets are below for readers to see for themselves in their unedited glory.

It should also be noted that Nate is wearing #6 this year which is the retired number of Tigers great Warrick Giddey, so much for Nate claiming they are ‘still Tigers players’ when he is wearing the number that is supposed to be retired and retired is sports way of saying not to be used again.

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